Helloooooo apostates!
I'm still riding high from the INCREDIBLE amount of feedback I got from my last post. Three whole comments! That's triple my previous record!
Anyway, I'm sure you're all super curious about my sexual orientation right now. We have that in common. Seriously, I still have no idea. Some moments I'm like, "forget the whole thing. I'm straight." and there are other times when I'm like, "oh my heck I am such a lesbian." And most of the time it's somewhere in between. Really all I've figured out since my last post is that I'm not going to worry about labels or "coming out" until I'm 100% sure. So, at this rate, never.
Also, did y'all know that it's General Conference weekend?! Cuz I didn't until this morning when I noticed my family was wearing surprisingly casual Sunday dress. Do you know what this means? I've hit a major ExMormon Milestone: I was oblivious to Conference! Even though I was an apostate last October, I was at BYU so I was forced to hear alllll about it. I even watched part of it because of my fucking roommate. This year, however, I didn't so much as listen to a MOMENT of an old white guy speaking in that unmistakable tone of voice (nor did I hear President Uchdorf make an analogy about planes, nor the General Primary President making me consider suicide). I did, however, watch The Best Two Years on the BYU channel between sessions. Kirby Heyborne is underapprectiated by the secular world.
Deserting Deseret
Sunday, April 3, 2011
Thursday, March 10, 2011
SSA
I don't know if any of the very few of you who read this blog will care, but I have to "talk" this out. Just for myself. It kind of relates to Mormonism, so whatever. I'm posting it.
I think I'm gay.
I'm going to continue this discussion in list form so I can try to make some sense out of my confusion.
Reasons I think I'm a lesbian:
1. I've never been very interested in boys or dating. When I was younger I thought this was because I was just more mature than my friends. I thought that I just realized there was more to life than being bf/gf for a week or two. When I got older (mind you I'm only 18, so when I say "older" I mean senior year and right out of high school) it became more obvious to me that wanting a relationship wasn't necessarily immature. While getting a boyfriend not being my top priority was fine, not seeing a relationship anywhere in the distant future was not. But I mostly concluded that I was just independent.
2. When I did like boys, I was able to intellectualize it. I used to literally make pro and cons charts for boys and choose who to have a "crush" on. It also seemed like my motivation for liking boys was to fit in and have something to gossip about with my girl friends. As recently as last November at BYU I pretended to be interested in this guy so I could bond with my roommates.
3. I have always thought females were better than males. In every way. Since elementary school I've been confident that girls were generally smarter, pretty, nicer, and more interesting than boys. And growing up Mormon, that's a difficult conclusion to come to. I remember once reading a magazine article about a woman's coming out story where she said "I grew up thinking that all girls wanted to marry girls, but they married boys because they were supposed to do." I thought yes. That's exactly how I feel.
However, I'm not entirely sure, for the following reasons:
1. I've never kissed a boy. Or a girl. While I've had a few quasi-relationships (we both like each other and both know it, we flirt all the time, dance together at dances, but aren't "official"), I've only had one "real" relationship, and it was long-distance. And again, the furthest I've ever gotten was holding hands. And obviously I've never been in any kind of romantic or sexual situation with a girl. So how would I know? It seems like I really don't have enough evidence to draw a conclusion.
2. I could still see enjoying being in a relationship with a guy. He would have to be just right, but I can picture it happening.
3. I've thought about it a lot before (now that might be evidence that I'm gay), but I've always decided that I'm straight. Of course, when I believed in the church I probably wouldn't have been honest with myself. But I've known the church isn't true for about 10 months now, and I've tried to be very open-minded and real. When I first left the church, I basically said, "Hey, Subconscious, It turns out you never really believed in the LDS church. Anything else you wanna tell me? Now's the time. Am I gay? Conservative? Left-handed? I'm listening now. Tell me the truth." And I genuinely thought I was straight. So why am I having a crisis all of a sudden?
Let me just tell you why. On Tuesday (incidentally, National Women's Day), I was watching Oprah with my sister. It was the episode about "teen heartthrobs." I was looking at all the celebrities they were talking about and just couldn't relate with what they were saying. None of the men they were showing looked appealing, but they were supposed to be gorgeous. I'd never obsessed over a male singer or actor like that. Oprah was uniting some women with their celebrity crushes, so I asked my sister who hers would be. "Gene Kelly or Marlon Brando," she said, laughing. "I don't think they'd be able to get them on the show, though. What about you?"
"...Tina Fey." It was seriously the only answer I could come up with. We laughed it off, but inside it finally hit me: I don't view men the same way other girls do. I see things differently. I'm different.
The more time passes, the more I'm pretty sure that I am gay. Which should be fine, except for the following reasons:
1. I JUST GOT OVER A MAJOR LIFE CHANGE/IDENTITY CRISIS. Seriously, do I have to go through this again? Less than a year ago I was a straight Mormon. Why is this happening again?!
2. I the kind of person who likes to be included. I really don't like feeling left out. But unfortunately, I have been for much of my life for various reasons. Being gay would be just another thing to make me different.
3. People will think that's why I left the church. I don't need to tell y'all, but I very seriously thought I was straight when I reached that decision. I reached the verdict that the church wasn't true based on historical reasons. While the churches stance on gays did bother me, it really wasn't the reason I left. But if I suddenly come out, all the TBMs are gonna think "Oh. She's one of those. We don't have to take her opinions seriously anymore." It's like when Mormons assume apostates just wanted to rationalize their sinning. I don't want to be a stereotype. I want people to believe me when I say that I'm sure the church isn't true.
So. You may or may not be wondering why I can't talk to any real people about this. The person I'm closest to and trust the most in the world is my sister. I know she's gay-affirming or whatever even though she's a TBM, but she's said some things recently that make me think that she's not very fond of lesbians specifically. I'm pretty sure she would react weirdly if I told her. I have another close friend with a similar problem. Fine with gay men, but grossed out by lesbians. Whatever. I actually do have a very close friend who is bisexual, but I cannot trust her with a secret. I just can't. Love her to death, but girl can't keep her mouth closed. I have a few more fairly good friends with the same issue. I definitely don't want this getting all around town before I'm ready. My parents are both ok with gays (even though my mom is a TBM), but I don't want to talk to them about it. Certainly not while I'm still deciding. There's no way I'm having an in-depth conversation about my sexual preferences with my parents. And if/when I decide that I am a lesbian, I still feel weird about letting them know. I'm sure they would be supportive, but I'm kind of worried about them being... too supportive. If that makes sense. My mom is the type of person who would "say my DAUGHTER is gay!" to any homophobe who will listen. I just don't want her taking control of this. I hope that makes sense. And, again, the idea of talking to my parents about who I'm sexually attracted to makes me uncomfortable.
So, anyway. There it is. I doubt even a handful of people will read all the way to the end, but if you did, please comment. I'd appreciate some input. But if not it's whatev. Writing it out helped a lot.
I think I'm gay.
I'm going to continue this discussion in list form so I can try to make some sense out of my confusion.
Reasons I think I'm a lesbian:
1. I've never been very interested in boys or dating. When I was younger I thought this was because I was just more mature than my friends. I thought that I just realized there was more to life than being bf/gf for a week or two. When I got older (mind you I'm only 18, so when I say "older" I mean senior year and right out of high school) it became more obvious to me that wanting a relationship wasn't necessarily immature. While getting a boyfriend not being my top priority was fine, not seeing a relationship anywhere in the distant future was not. But I mostly concluded that I was just independent.
2. When I did like boys, I was able to intellectualize it. I used to literally make pro and cons charts for boys and choose who to have a "crush" on. It also seemed like my motivation for liking boys was to fit in and have something to gossip about with my girl friends. As recently as last November at BYU I pretended to be interested in this guy so I could bond with my roommates.
3. I have always thought females were better than males. In every way. Since elementary school I've been confident that girls were generally smarter, pretty, nicer, and more interesting than boys. And growing up Mormon, that's a difficult conclusion to come to. I remember once reading a magazine article about a woman's coming out story where she said "I grew up thinking that all girls wanted to marry girls, but they married boys because they were supposed to do." I thought yes. That's exactly how I feel.
However, I'm not entirely sure, for the following reasons:
1. I've never kissed a boy. Or a girl. While I've had a few quasi-relationships (we both like each other and both know it, we flirt all the time, dance together at dances, but aren't "official"), I've only had one "real" relationship, and it was long-distance. And again, the furthest I've ever gotten was holding hands. And obviously I've never been in any kind of romantic or sexual situation with a girl. So how would I know? It seems like I really don't have enough evidence to draw a conclusion.
2. I could still see enjoying being in a relationship with a guy. He would have to be just right, but I can picture it happening.
3. I've thought about it a lot before (now that might be evidence that I'm gay), but I've always decided that I'm straight. Of course, when I believed in the church I probably wouldn't have been honest with myself. But I've known the church isn't true for about 10 months now, and I've tried to be very open-minded and real. When I first left the church, I basically said, "Hey, Subconscious, It turns out you never really believed in the LDS church. Anything else you wanna tell me? Now's the time. Am I gay? Conservative? Left-handed? I'm listening now. Tell me the truth." And I genuinely thought I was straight. So why am I having a crisis all of a sudden?
Let me just tell you why. On Tuesday (incidentally, National Women's Day), I was watching Oprah with my sister. It was the episode about "teen heartthrobs." I was looking at all the celebrities they were talking about and just couldn't relate with what they were saying. None of the men they were showing looked appealing, but they were supposed to be gorgeous. I'd never obsessed over a male singer or actor like that. Oprah was uniting some women with their celebrity crushes, so I asked my sister who hers would be. "Gene Kelly or Marlon Brando," she said, laughing. "I don't think they'd be able to get them on the show, though. What about you?"
"...Tina Fey." It was seriously the only answer I could come up with. We laughed it off, but inside it finally hit me: I don't view men the same way other girls do. I see things differently. I'm different.
The more time passes, the more I'm pretty sure that I am gay. Which should be fine, except for the following reasons:
1. I JUST GOT OVER A MAJOR LIFE CHANGE/IDENTITY CRISIS. Seriously, do I have to go through this again? Less than a year ago I was a straight Mormon. Why is this happening again?!
2. I the kind of person who likes to be included. I really don't like feeling left out. But unfortunately, I have been for much of my life for various reasons. Being gay would be just another thing to make me different.
3. People will think that's why I left the church. I don't need to tell y'all, but I very seriously thought I was straight when I reached that decision. I reached the verdict that the church wasn't true based on historical reasons. While the churches stance on gays did bother me, it really wasn't the reason I left. But if I suddenly come out, all the TBMs are gonna think "Oh. She's one of those. We don't have to take her opinions seriously anymore." It's like when Mormons assume apostates just wanted to rationalize their sinning. I don't want to be a stereotype. I want people to believe me when I say that I'm sure the church isn't true.
So. You may or may not be wondering why I can't talk to any real people about this. The person I'm closest to and trust the most in the world is my sister. I know she's gay-affirming or whatever even though she's a TBM, but she's said some things recently that make me think that she's not very fond of lesbians specifically. I'm pretty sure she would react weirdly if I told her. I have another close friend with a similar problem. Fine with gay men, but grossed out by lesbians. Whatever. I actually do have a very close friend who is bisexual, but I cannot trust her with a secret. I just can't. Love her to death, but girl can't keep her mouth closed. I have a few more fairly good friends with the same issue. I definitely don't want this getting all around town before I'm ready. My parents are both ok with gays (even though my mom is a TBM), but I don't want to talk to them about it. Certainly not while I'm still deciding. There's no way I'm having an in-depth conversation about my sexual preferences with my parents. And if/when I decide that I am a lesbian, I still feel weird about letting them know. I'm sure they would be supportive, but I'm kind of worried about them being... too supportive. If that makes sense. My mom is the type of person who would "say my DAUGHTER is gay!" to any homophobe who will listen. I just don't want her taking control of this. I hope that makes sense. And, again, the idea of talking to my parents about who I'm sexually attracted to makes me uncomfortable.
So, anyway. There it is. I doubt even a handful of people will read all the way to the end, but if you did, please comment. I'd appreciate some input. But if not it's whatev. Writing it out helped a lot.
Saturday, February 26, 2011
Sweet, Sweet Fruits of Apostacy
I got a paycheck yesterday for the first time in a very long time. So, as you can imagine, I was super excited when I opened it. But as I looked at the number, I had this nagging feeling that I was forgetting something. Like that wasn't the real amount of money. Taxes were automatically deducted, telling myself I would put some in savings didn't get rid of the feeling... Did I owe someone money? Then it hit me: TITHING. The last time I had a job, I was Mormon. Every time I got a paycheck, my mind would automatically subtract 10%. I didn't even think about keeping that money--it was a given. Now it's like a bonus not to donate to the GA's income.
Being an apostate is more fun than I thought!
Being an apostate is more fun than I thought!
Thursday, February 10, 2011
My New Religion (Not Really)
Big news guys--I decided to go vegan!
What does this have to do with Mormonism, you don't ask? Allow me to explain.
I've been thinking about how good I was at being Mormon, and how I had so much self-control keeping the commandments even though I had so little self-control in the rest of my life. So I decided to put my willpower to good use. Tofu is filling the God-shaped hole in my life. I am replacing meat with coffee. Substituting Ghandi for Joseph Smith, if you will.
And don't worry, I'm still Godless. According to a comment I saw on Youtube, "VEGETARIANS ARE SATANIC & THE BIBLE WARNS OF THEM. The forbidding of eating certain foods is an indication of people departing from the Christian faith. (I Timothy 4:1-5) 'In later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, who advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe & know the truth. For everything created by God is good, & nothing is to be rejected.'"
What does this have to do with Mormonism, you don't ask? Allow me to explain.
I've been thinking about how good I was at being Mormon, and how I had so much self-control keeping the commandments even though I had so little self-control in the rest of my life. So I decided to put my willpower to good use. Tofu is filling the God-shaped hole in my life. I am replacing meat with coffee. Substituting Ghandi for Joseph Smith, if you will.
And don't worry, I'm still Godless. According to a comment I saw on Youtube, "VEGETARIANS ARE SATANIC & THE BIBLE WARNS OF THEM. The forbidding of eating certain foods is an indication of people departing from the Christian faith. (I Timothy 4:1-5) 'In later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, who advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe & know the truth. For everything created by God is good, & nothing is to be rejected.'"
Tuesday, February 8, 2011
Logic: One of Satan's Many Weapons
The other day I was talking to a dear (non-LDS) Christian friend of mine. He knows I don't believe in the church anymore, but he asked me to explain how Mormons believe in the Bible and The Book of Mormon. Personally, I think that's pretty easy to explain. I said just said the whole "Jesus also visited the Americas," "gospel for the whole earth," "the two books complement, not contradict," etc. I was pretty satisfied with my explanation, so I said something along the lines of, "I know it's not true, but it makes sense, right?" And he said:
"The fact that it's so logical makes me not believe it."
He was dead fucking serious. I was all "?!" And he tried to sound less insane by saying that a lot of aspects of Christianity are paradoxes. Those were his words. I kid not. So, everything that doesn't make sense is true. Lorsh help us.
In other illogical news, check out this Facebook post from one of my TBM friends:
"Favorite part of scripture study yesterday: Jazz was reading and Jayden's turn was coming up. I didn't know how much he actually listened before his turn until he says "Oh! I love this part!" and started reading. He's nine years old and all boy and he drives me bonkers, but he strengthened my testimony just by being himself."
Ok, that's cute. He's smart for a 9-year-old. Reading level. I get that. But "strengthened your testimony"? Just because a kid likes a story doesn't mean that story is true.
End of rant.
"The fact that it's so logical makes me not believe it."
He was dead fucking serious. I was all "?!" And he tried to sound less insane by saying that a lot of aspects of Christianity are paradoxes. Those were his words. I kid not. So, everything that doesn't make sense is true. Lorsh help us.
In other illogical news, check out this Facebook post from one of my TBM friends:
"Favorite part of scripture study yesterday: Jazz was reading and Jayden's turn was coming up. I didn't know how much he actually listened before his turn until he says "Oh! I love this part!" and started reading. He's nine years old and all boy and he drives me bonkers, but he strengthened my testimony just by being himself."
Ok, that's cute. He's smart for a 9-year-old. Reading level. I get that. But "strengthened your testimony"? Just because a kid likes a story doesn't mean that story is true.
End of rant.
Wednesday, February 2, 2011
He's an RM, So it's All Good.
When an 18-year-old changes her Facebook status to "engaged" to a guy she's been dating for a month, normal people would assume she's kidding. Mormons, however, will say "Congratulations! Which temple??"
By the way, this girl wasn't kidding.
By the way, this girl wasn't kidding.
Monday, January 31, 2011
Meetings and Mexicans
Well. It wasn't about a calling. He was just meeting with all the young single adults to make sure we knew about the activities, the singles ward, and institute. But he made it clear that it was my choice if I wanted to participate in that stuff or not.
So... Since nothing offensive happened, I thought I'd share an offensive tidbit from a bishop's interview I had in my student ward:
Bish: "Where are you from?"
Me: "[State]"
Bish: "Are there a lot of Mexicans there?"
Me: "Um. More than you'd expect, I guess..."
Bish: "Becuase Utah is just OVERRUN with Mexicans. It's really becoming a problem."
He probably meant illegal immigrants. Whatev. Enjoy the offense.
So... Since nothing offensive happened, I thought I'd share an offensive tidbit from a bishop's interview I had in my student ward:
Bish: "Where are you from?"
Me: "[State]"
Bish: "Are there a lot of Mexicans there?"
Me: "Um. More than you'd expect, I guess..."
Bish: "Becuase Utah is just OVERRUN with Mexicans. It's really becoming a problem."
He probably meant illegal immigrants. Whatev. Enjoy the offense.
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